Continuing the discussion from How’s going as ClearOS refugee?:
I’d like to bump a an old topic above 
because I’m so sad to read things like that
But I read that many people are switching to Nsec and Nser from clear.
How’s going? how can we help you?
Hi Alessio,
I’m one of those ClearOS refugees. 
Currently i’ve already switched to Nethsecurity and look this working well.
Stil not shutdown my ClearOS as a mail and Nextcloud server because i’m not convident in the perfomance/capablities of NS8 and don’t want to switch first to NS7 and then to NS8
When i’ll switch my mail server it will be to SOGo which is not as good as Kopano in my opinion, but i think it will do.
The most important feature i’ve npt investigated is Fail2ban. In my ClearOS7 it working and in S7 it looks the same and that gives me convindence. The Crowdsec as replacement for Fail2Ban doesn’t feel good (yet)
I hope the firewall and BlockIP in Nethsecurity will more mature and gives more info about what it is blocking in GUI.
So not yet switched completely, but it is a matter of time
Hi Alessio.
It’s hard to believe that I’ve been running NS7 for a little over a year. I’m very happy with the move from ClearOS.
Welcome to all the ClearOS refugees. Know that what you lost in the Clear Community, you will find here plus more. The gang here is great. If you have any questions about migration over, I’m happy to share my experience. Just DM me.
It is sad to see that Clear continues to flail around and try to make it look like they are doing some updating but as you can see from the notes, they haven’t delivered any update, even those from Redhat. I ran PointClark that was on Redhat 2 until ClearOS 7 (Centos 7).
I still have my old Clear server 7 running behind the firewall. It runs one application that I haven’t migrated and acts as a sync server for some data. ClearOS did so many things well that moving everything over took time. Once these final 2 apps are migrated, I will repurpose the old Clear server as a backup server. I only have so many spare hours as my home server started as a hobby. Now I run NS7 for our family. I’m looking to start setting up / upgrade to NS8 when I have enough time.
I am very happy to have found this community. The help and support from so many is invaluable. Special shout out to @Andy_Wismer , @pike , @danb35 and @dnutan . 
The community makes you feel welcome. No question is too crazy and everyone helps out.
I would be remiss, if I didn’t also thank all the folks at Nethesis for managing the community (in particular @alefattorini) and building and keeping the software up-to-date. You guys are amazing! 
Thank you everyone for your help and making this refugee feel welcome.
The new webtop is arriving. Could it be a good alternative?
Sounds great! Thanks for your time
Thank you on behalf of Nethesis and the whole community
i am very curious on this aspect.
Any leakage @alefattorini ?
Not Sure
I want to have Activesync for outlook and Iphone for mail/contact/agenda.
As far i have seen this is not possible with Webtop
It already exists.
There is ZPush already implemented in Webtop or (Sogo) that emulates ActiveSync.
It was also there on version 7.
CaldavSynchronizer works “better” in outlook than synchronization with ActiveSync.
You still always need to have Sogo or Webtop installed, however, which implement the various ZPush and CalDav/CardDav protocols.
Thanks.
I thought i had been reading somewhere that Webtop syncronize only the contacts of calenders via activesync.
Mobile devices can be synchronized using ActiveSync. ActiveSync can be used only for contacts and calendars .
According to this link webtop is not working with Outlook
https://docs.nethserver.org/en/v7/webtop5.html
Active Sync protocol is supported only on Android and iOS devices. Outlook is not supported
Dear all,
I am a ClearOS refugee and I started using NS7 because it was the most similar distribution.
The plan was to first get it working like I want to and then update to NS8.
The reason was because I am not such an experienced user that can solve all sorts of problems on my own without proper guidance and support.
The things I noticed are that the NS community is a lot less developed like ClearOS was, there are a lot less threads, the response time is drastically lower and I don’t see a lot of responses from the developers.
I hope that I can find my way around here, but if solving my current problems takes too long I will have to switch to another totally different distribution with at least better support.
Greetings,
J.
Hi @misterjohn
I did follow your thread
but I thought you were close to a solution, so did not want to interfere.
I have helped other ex Clear OS users get up to speed here (see what user @Nuke above has to say…) and would be willing to offer a free Q&A session as PM or via Telegram Audio.
If you want, send me a PM later.
I’m at work now (and it’s a sh*tload today), but would have time after work.
I’m in Switzerland, and it’s now 14:40 (aka 2 PM). I will be available after 18:00 (6 PM).
Note:
I can and also do offer such services commercially, but here the intent is to sound out issues, details, your knowledge level and provide you with some tips & tricks to get you up to speed on NS8, if you think this distro will suit your requirements (I do!).
→ NethServer 7 and NS8 are very different animals, and I do strongly suggest starting out with NS8.
My 2 cents
Andy
Hi @misterjohn and welcome.
there are a lot less threads
This is largely due to the fact that there is an active community that is always ready to help. And it is certainly also due to the fact that NS 7 and NS 8 are products that have already shown a certain market maturity during development. As a result, many questions have not even arisen. And in the event that you do have a question or two, you will be well served if you make use the offer of @Andy_Wismer.
Thanks for both your replies.
I think that my frustration got the better of me and that made me come to a maybe premature conclusion.
I am sure that ClearOS refugees are helped here and that there must be some sort of solution for my problems, but I just can’t seem to find it.
On another forum they advised me to connect my workstation directly to my router to confirm or deny if my NS7 box is the cause of the problems.
But that still doesn’t provide me with a solution and I hesitate connecting my newly installed Windows 10 client to the Internet without a proper Linux firewall.
Because NS8 is such a different animal I prefer to get things up and running with NS7 before I go to NS8, so I at least can try to understand why and how it works.
I will take you up for your offer to send you PM.
If you are using VM you can easily try Nethsecurity as Firewall and router.
It works almost directly our of the box.
Just test your connection.
I’m also Clear refugee and using now Nethsecurity with still a ClearOS server behind it.
Hi @misterjohn,
I am a ClearOS refugee myself.
At first it definitely appears to be more unstructured compared to the way the ClearOS forums are/where structured, however it is a different mindset and different approach which one needs to get used to. It took me a while to get used to it.
If you’re ever in doubt and can’t find anything, definitely post something and either someone will be able to guide you to a solution or even point you to either previous posts and/or the relevant documentation.
The NS developers most definitely contribute where appropriate and are actually very active as well, even if they don’t always respond, they definitely do read the posts.
Do give a shout out if you ever do need help, there are lots of people here who are more than willing to help out.
Do you mean this with “more structured” ?
Hi all
I (or should I say the company I work for) am also a ClearOS refugee. I have also been using Clear since it was ClarkConnect from the late 90’s if my memory serves. We moved to NS7 about 6 months ago and I am in the final stages of switching to NethSecurity, just need to move the subscription. I also moved to NS7 due the similarity. Used it for a firewall (@Andy_Wismer Sorry Andy 
) and email relay server. I liked the all in one convenience but spun up a separate Postfix server to do the email relay duties now that we moved to NethSecurity.
We have a subscription but as of yet I haven’t needed to raise a support ticket due to the community. @ Nuke I second the shout out. @misterjohn I understand the frustration but you should be in good hands. With my most recent issue (fairly sure it was PEBKAC) a Dev answered with in a couple of days
Yeah, apologies if I wasn’t clear enough
Hello forum friends
As you may know, I am also a ClearOS refugee and still run with this. Why ? It runs and it runs stably.
I already switched to Nethsecuriy as a firewall and DHCP server a few months ago. This is running fine and I am confident.
Now the other packages that were running on my ClearOS Server like Plex, Lyrion media server, Domoticz, SABnzb, etc… have already been transferred to another VM.
Now I only have my mail server and Nextcloud running on the ClearOS.
Now comes the time to transfer this to another package as well. Especially since Nextcloud has not been updated for 2 years and the spam filter and other filters are no longer updated.
Now I have been toying with both NS7 and NS8. NS7 feels familiar because it is basically similar to ClearOS (Centos7) and goes out of development.
With NS8, I’m still struggling. Especially the Dockerised system which for as an amateur is hard to grasp. Also that a lot of things are not yet fully developed.
But it is a new distro, which probably also entails fewer risks.
Now comes the question.
What would you guys recommend? Switch to NS7, which is already EOL but still supported, or go straight to NS8 with all the ‘risks’ of a new package and not all the features available yet?
Hi @MadPatrick
Driving with the brakes on is somewhat cumbersum…
Move ahead!
There will be tripwires but I trust our devs and the community will be able to overcome any issues.
If you run into issues, I’ll be available here, send a PM.
My 2 cents
Andy
Hi Forum friends,
I’ve just powered down my ClearOS server and moved to Nethserver 7.
So officially part of the Nethserver community 
As Firewall i’m using the Nethsecurity application and in time i’ll move to NS8
Because Nethserver looks very similair it was “easier” to setup a new server and move everything over.
Also i think NS8 needs a bit more time to get a bit more mature