DOMOTICZ - home automation

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Hi!

I’m just back to tinkering and wants to install a program but before I make my NS possibly unstable, I wanted to ask you if eevtl someone who has already installed and set up the program.

And I want to operate domoticz on the server, all instructions I have found for installation refer to DEBIAN.

https://www.domoticz.com/

It is a home automation software, on my RASPI it runs wonderfully, meets all requirements and relatively simple to use.
Ideal for me!

Would be grateful if someone would share his knowledge with me, even better if someone already has experience :wink:

greetings
Gerald

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Found some links but compile did not work in my first tests:

https://karloluiten.nl/install-domoticz-on-centos-7/

https://www.domoticz.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9586

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Exactly, that was my problem too.
Are still more howto but nothing fits on CentOS.

Since I already had problems that then nothing went more I am meanwhile a bit cautious.

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Maybe not directly helpfull to get domoticz running on NS, but did you consider to use another home automation platform?
AFAIK https://www.openhab.org/ is very well supported by numerous IoT devices and there are RPM’s available for openhab.

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Thanks for pointing out, yes I’ve tested different platforms in the last few months. (OpenHab, IOBroker, FHEM and Domoticz)
After a long test, Domoticz is left over, it fulfills fully and completely that I expect. (GUI, operation, functionality, design)

One of the most important points is the WAF (woman acceptance factor) - top!

Thus, I will bite the bullet and test it on the NS server, until then it keeps running on my “old Orange Pi”.

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Hi,

Has anybody recently been able to run Domoticz on Nethserver?
I’m running ClearOS7 and able to compile a Domoticz package with the recent version.
But since ClearOS is becoming EOL, Nethserver looks like a perfect alternative.
The only important missing package is Domoticz at the moment

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Hi @MadPatrick

I’m running Home Assistant for years now. One on a Raspberry, the other (Lab) is on Proxmox.
Works great!

Why not give it a try?

My 2 cents
Andy

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Hi

Domoticz is a bit more flexible especially with scripts.
A saw that there a docker image
Only i have no experience with docker at all.
Installation worked, but how to start?

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Hi @MadPatrick

I really think your Information is grossly outdated.
Home Assistant has moved light years in the past 2-3 years!
And not only supports almost any form of scripting, but you can create templates of your scripts to use elsewhere - or post on the Forum.

I’ve used Indigodomo, FHEM, OpenHAB, Domoticz and Home Assistant, and HA is my present choice.

HA is also Docker based, but easily iinstalls on Raspberry or on Proxmox.
It also includes stuff like Unify Network, Matrix, Kuma-Uptime, and many more.

What I really do not like about Domoticz is there is absolutely NO information who are behind this group. No About, no Impressum, no history.

I also prefer my HomeAssistant completly independant from Nethserver, as I need control while Nethserver may be backing up, updating or rebooting - and I don’t want to have to wait for lights to go on…

Still, have fun with Domoticz…

PS: It’s generally more advisable to create a new Post, than to revive a 3+ years old Post and make a Zombie of it!

My 2 cents
Andy

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nOOb warning!!!

I don’t know anything about domotica etc, but I was reading an article the other day about the Matter protocol that could be a holy grail and common ground for the zillion vendors?

It is in Dutch, but even ChatGPT nows how to translate pretty accurately :wink:

https://tweakers.net/reviews/10866/is-matter-de-toekomst-van-smarthome-alles-wat-je-moet-weten-over-deze-standaard.html

(another supporting article The Matter smart home protocol: What is it, and why is it a big deal? )

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@LayLow

HomeAssistant supports Matter for a couple of Months now.
The articel was linked to the update news…

My 2 cents
Andy

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What about creating an app for NethServer of Home Assistant? Is there any interest?

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Hi All

The idea is good adding Home Assistant to NS8.

After using different systems for Home Automation / Control for the past 7 years now I can pass some advice and caution on this subject.

Home Assistant is my premium choice for Home Automation, it has been around for a few years now, and is moving forwards at even higher speeds than NS8!
It works rock solid and, depending on design used / created, has a very good WAF (Wife Acceptancy Factor)!
But: It must work 100% of time, no delays.

This already excludes using a VM / Hypervisor, unless you have very high power and fast SSD or NVME storage. Backups, Maintenence, Restores of other VMs will induce delays and other non WAF compatible effects.

→ Walking in the evening into a dark room, and the lights turn on 3 minutes later is a No-Go !!!

Actually, my experience showed, that any such system must be independant hardware and software - from anything else. At the moment I use either a Raspberry PI4 or, newer, an Odroid ARM based box, this has proven good for Home / SoHo use, even for larger environments with 4 or 8 GB RAM. Low Power usage, high availability, low heat production (Odroid better than RPI4!), all positive factors.

Do NOT underestimates the effects of delays, and similiar effects on the usability of Home Automation!

This can make or break your project!

For me, I plan on using this (if and when available) as a test / dev system.

My 2 cents
Andy

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Having Home Assistant on NS8 would be Awesome and wonderful.

then we can use the plethora of tools available for it here frenck/awesome-home-assistant: A curated list of amazingly awesome Home Assistant resources. (github.com)

And a more cleaner page

If its impleemnted into NS8, it would need to be feature rich, as well as customizable with the other available tools and solutions to work with it.

I understand this will not be an easy task to implement as an NS8 app, but Doable. otherwise without which, it would not make much sense.

That being sai, i think it would also be time, and prudent to have Node red as an NS8 app as well Node-RED (nodered.org)

As well as solutions Like Grocy which integrates well.

And for video surveillance, Motioneye

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Imagine Having Nethserver Managing your
Expense an income, Via Firefly-iii
Investment Portfolio Via Maybe Finance
Home Phone System Via Nethvoice
Grocery lists, Recipes and Tasks at home Via Grocy
Video Surveillance via Motioneye

All these integrated and Managed with Home Assistance, with NodeRed Pulling the Strings Underneath.

it will Make Nethserver the Ultimate Automation tool. (if well implemented)

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IMVHO for tinkerer and automators there will be a lot of interest.
If already deployed, NS8 could be a nice place to put the software part of Home Assistant without adding any other box or guest into the network.

For several other reasons, however, this have some downsides
source Installation - Home Assistant

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Container is the only way that HomeAssistant can be delivered on NS8.
So Addons will be a no-go, and Nethesis/guest developer should deliver a proper way for upgrade… or “backup, destroy, reinstall, restore, all done” procedure for any minor and major upgrade.
Also, the “hardware” part for receiving data, (zigbee, zwave, bt, whathever) should be forcely “outside” the NS8 host/s. Which that leads to another POV that might say “better not”.

Automation might interact with some other “things” into the real world, and should be reliable and stable. So wireless is so nice and fun, but wired is best. And… with it’s “own” subnet might be even better, for define in precise way the security policies. And currently, NS8 can’t deliver “subnet multiplexing”-ish (software define network) yet.

I’d love to toy with Home Assistant, but at this point NS8 would not be interesting enough option to me.

  • more hardware needed for interconnection
  • not enough network and traffic control
  • not enough independency from the host

I’d say the same thing for a big enough network of management (more than 50 devices…) a separate vlan for management might be advisable, without dependance from the “application” hive.

It’s my point of view, but i’d anyway suggest to highly consider Home Assistant as a module. Could open more opportunities.

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Most “Networking” in Homa Automation (Home Assistant included) will be either Z-Wave, ZigBee or some other local, non routed protocoll. ZigBee will be bridged if using eg a Philips Hue Bridge. Z-Wave will mostly be via USB, or maybe a Raspberry Bridgeboard.

Some other IOT devices may be connected by LAN / WLan. But even Speakers are not critical.
Cameras are the major issue for Bandwidth. Also for Transcoding, the CPU usage must not be underestimated…

Camera Viewing / Storage with more than 6 HD cams will use a lot of system resources!

I do not do any camera processing on my Raspberry or Odroid hardware (Not even on VMs!), they aren’t powerful enough for my 3 2HD cameras…

My 2 cents
Andy

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Coral NPU on USB? :wink:

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No, just decent, independant hardware… A USB GPU doesnt improve throughput…

If Motion-Detection kicks in on a couple of 2HD cameras, you also need to store the images / videos…
4-8 full HD cameras can easily overwhelm a system - just with storage.

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So, I’ll give my opinion :wink:

Basically, I think it’s great to have everything under one roof, but when it comes to Homeassistant, I prefer a standalone machine (Raspberry) or, as in my case, a VM under Proxmox rather than a module under NethServer.

Homeassistant is cool and now fully accepted in the female household, but if it doesn’t work one day - who knows what will happen.

Priorities in the house:

  1. Internet and WiFi
  2. Comfortable temperatures
  3. Comfort functions (Homeassistant)
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    xx. Email & data sharing

Best wishes

Gerald

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