After AD creation, network interface got bridged and unable to undo

I’m not familiar with HP-ILO and WOL activ. So I’ll have to do some research to get a understanding on what you are talking about. But I gather that HP ILO is similar to IPMI. Wol activ not sure. The NAS I want to build will not use ECC RAM or any IPMI unfortunately since I already have the hardware. But I will backup it appropriately with external docking stations. For the Proxmox box with Nethserver now, I’m thinking I will have to invest in a server motherboard with IPMI… I could always support WAKE ON LAN for the other machines from that main machine maybe?..

I’m located in Canada, near our capital, Ottawa.

Yes I want to get Home Assistant on Raspberry as well! That is an amazing software and works off Raspberry that is amazing.

I may consider RAID10. It is faster however, it does reduce the available space over RAID6. Hmm, I’ll have to see. I was thinking of populating the tower with eight 6T drives so with RAID10 it would give me approx. 24 TB left?

ZFS, probably one day since it does require the appropriate hardware, ECC RAM. Keep in mind all this will run off consumer grade hardware except for the Proxmox box eventually to get a mobo with IPMI.

And yes, CLEAROS cost more for something Nethserver does already. And you cannot underestimate community support which has been very very good so far, and that is way more valuable.

@tessierp

HP ILO, in the current version, includes (if licenced) a full GUI control - even for Windows - with Out of Band connection. You can also completly install the server remotely, using a ISO image. And more, like SNMP monitoring of the ILO.

WOL is Wake on LAN, remotely waking up a Machine (Host) with a “magic packet” on LAN.
PC boards from the last 25 years mostly have WOL built in. There are several Freeware GUI Apps available, even for Windows and Mac.
If you ever hit shutdown instead of reboot on a remote server - WOL can save you a car trip in the middle of the night!

I usually keep several options open for WOL. My firewall (OPNsense) comes with a Web-GUI for WOL, I can wake up any PC with WOL enabled… I also have a GUI on a local VM (Called Admin-PC for that very reason)… And also eg on Home Assistant.

Wake on LAN needs BIOS support on the machine to be woken, and needs to be set as “active”. That’s all. The awaking is done by a simple TCP-IP “magic-packet” sent to he MAC Address of that box. The client - as said - is simple, you have several options.

Your NAS:

How about two RAIDs like I did with a clients 8-Bay Synology? The first 4 Bays contain now 4 * 2 TB SSDs in RAID10. The other 4 contain WD Red Pro 6 TB in RAID5…
The RAID10 is only used for the VMs, all the rest goes on the RAID5. This Synology has a 8 TB Seagate Backup Hub + (Great pricing, BTW!) connected to USB3 for daily backups of the whole NAS…

Canada is a great country!
Your present PM already was “tainted” by his father - his corona reactions show the point… :slight_smile:
You guys deserve better!
I actually have a couple of friends living around Vancouver, on the west coast.

I think NethServer has one of the best Open Source communities I’ve seen. I try my best to help here, like several others here in this forum.

PS: Grab yourself a copy of SystemRescueCD and burn it, but keep a copy as ISO available for your Proxmox VMs. That can help a lot with Problems - be it in Windows or Linux. Or simple resizing of the boot disk in a few instants…

Another good one to have in your toolkit is Clonezilla. That can also handle a migration Live to Virtual - target Proxmox…

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@tessierp

Just read about UNRAID - or better said, I just refreshed my earlier (MUCH earlier) readup about UNRAID.

Just for your Info - RAID5 (and 6!) CAN have data corruption - and not alone due to a defective controller. Before 2000, a RAID5 or 6 was the nonplusultra. Nowadays, it’s much more critical.
The problem, with present multi Tera Disks, or even SSDs is the rebuild time. This can take one to two days on a midrange Synology and much longer considering UNRAIDs well known slow I/O. Now, if one disk dies, your data is safe or is “carried” by the parity data on the “other” disk.
All disks are usually of the same age. The parity disk has - in normal circumstances - twice the access of the other disks. In a fail situation, the amount of access will at least double, due to the necessity of calculating each byte from the parity data. Extend this torture by a few days, that disk will likely crash, BEFORE the RAID has been rebuilt!!! Big scale Data Loss!

A second thing to consider: Besides Synology, most big Linux have dropped BTRFS like a hot rock. It does work VERY stable in Synology, yes. But I wouldn’t be prepared to pay for an UNRAID…

If not FreeNAS (The next best NAS after their commercial TrueNAS), then have a look at RockStor - it’s also a BTRFS based NAS, but FREE as NethServer is. That has a bit better I/O than UNRAID - and is free. The GUI is modern and easy to use.

ZFS is the ultimate file system at the moment, and the OpenZFS version, which runs on Linux is supported by many, including Red Hat (& Centos).
CEPH is the ultimate distributed file system, and all the big ticket players are on board…
These three are Rock Solid & stable!

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I see. Well controller I was thinking of using, according to the UNRAID community and a guy from level1techs (youtube), recommended LSI controllers converted to TI mode, they are pretty good controllers apparently. But I understand what you are saying. However, like most people told me, and I didn’t do any of this before, a NAS is just as good as someone planning to protect his or her data adequately and that includes backups!

I have QNAP right now which is good, I’m guessing just as good as Synology but, the only reason why I am going away from these small form factor solutions is because well, It is much easier to replace failing parts in a UNRAID system which is built from regular PC components which are very abundant and easy to replace. For instance, if the processor in a Synology box were go go back for any reason or the controller, you wouldn’t be able to replace them (at least not the CPU since it is soldered on the motherboard.

Another fantastic thing about UNRAID is that it lets you create VM as passthrough so you could build a “gaming” system and a NAS all in one, not that this is what I am considering but still a nice feature. You can also add drives as you need them (unlike FreeNAS where you need to add more than one at a time). It uses BTRFS although there are plugins for ZFS but then again ZFS requires ECC RAM.

I could create 2 separate pools as well like you suggest in a UNRAID system, one in RAID10 another in RAID5. But yes I understand what you are telling me. There are pro and cons I suppose. I just like the flexibility a UNRAID box offers, that is it is built from readily available components.

I will use using WEB RED or Seagete Wolf NAS HDDs, these are much tougher. What you said before about disks dying, I did find out the hard way when I first built my QNAP TS-563, I used normal HDD, and I one of them failed in less than a year.

I’m still evaluating what I am going to do. I still need a case for UNRAID if I will go that route. Still thinking about what I will do.

WOL, hehe yes OK I didn’t know the abbreviation but yes that is one thing I was considering to enable for other machines but I will need on with IPMI to remote in in case the main server shutdowns. From there I could reach anything. The only problem is, there aren’t many boards supporting RYZEN with IPMI.

Thanks for all the good recommendations. I’m still digesting all that information :slight_smile: It does help a great deal!

As for Trudeau well, I am not a fan but you know, I don’t thrust any politicians anyways. Especially not in a economic system like the one we have.

@tessierp

Proxmox can handle Passthru too. Someone built a graphics Mac, moved it away from the Mac mini (Proxmox underneath) to much stronger hardware, and passed thru the Mac supported Graphics Card…

ZFS doesn’t NEED ECC RAM as in must. But it IS advisable…

And: Don’t forget that UNRAID is extremly slow in I/O. A VM, say Windows, WILL feel as if installed on a super large floppy disk for the C: Disk… It’s THAT slow…
I’d have a look at Rockstor to run on your hardware.

To run VMs in Proxmox directly from NAS, the NAS should support NFS well (fast & stable). Synology does. (20 installations)

Synology, like other NAS brands, do offer spare parts for almost anything inside…

LSI have good controllers. but as with most open source Storage solutions, the controller has to be in HBA mode, not any form of RAID or whatever.

WOL does start / boot a machine, yes. But not remote shut down, if wanted. Hme Assistant includes sample code for Windows & Linux to also shut down a workstation remotely with Home Assistant, no CLI (Command line interface) stuff!

About 10 years ago, I stopped building my own NAS - and I had built quite a few, some actually with over 40 HDs in a big oversized “Fat” tower (Twice as fat, two rows of 20 HDs in front…
I stopped because I couldn’t anymore compete with “bought” NAS, neither in terms of silence, cost, energy efficiency. Even though I could replace every part, they were also never quite as stable, and in time a lot of ventilator issues…
:slight_smile:
Been there, done that, even bought the T-shirt, as you say over the big pond… :slight_smile:

You seem to have tried it. But if I may ask, what version of UNRAID did you try? I saw a bunch of videos with the latest version and it seemed very fast and responsive with UNRAID 6.7 and they were using the motherboard’s SATA ports. Depending on when you last tried it or saw it in action, perhaps much as changed since then? Just a guess. Let me show you a Dutch guy who experimented with using 2 Windows VMs : https://youtu.be/9syF1aWLtwE

HBA mode you are referring to, could that be the IT MODE some people are referring to? That is non-raid mode.

Home Assistant is on my to do list :slight_smile:

As for spare parts for Synology, good to know I suppose if I do decide to continue such a solution.

Well I guess some still do build UNRAID and FREENAS just for the thrill of doing it I suppose or, having spare parts around have have nothing better to do. It is good that I have access to your knowledge so it allows me to balance all the information I have. I haven’t made a decision just yet.

@tessierp

Gaming isn’t quite the same in I/O. They use First person shooters, which DO need a good GPU and first rate graphics, but the Disk I/O is meagre once booted.

Besides which: Why would I want a GPU in a storage system?
It’s like having a Ferrari with real big sized, rough tracked wheels for 4-wheel country driving in the land. Well, it’s just the wrong combination! There’s no 4WD, even though the motor’s powerful enough. And fitting in the wheels in that low chassis would be tough, even for a good mechanic.

FreeNAS, given the right HW is extremly fast & performant. See what they build into their pre-built FreeNAS Mini or 8-Bay.Mini+. The hardware, besides the missing GPU would make any gamer slobber… (…“me wants”…)
That box has really mean hardware, like a full 8 Core Intel CPU (Not an Atom, the real thing!)
A FreeNAS Mini can, on Incoming or Outgoing Ethernet connections, actiually SATURATE the connection. A Midrange Synology can’t! FreeNAS also has options for HW-Read Cache AND also HW WRITE Caches… (SSDs/RAM-Disk).

A lot of self building is seeing what can be done (like the Mac I mentionned, or these two gamers…).

See this video to the subject of “I built it because I can”…

A Bentley on Tracks… :slight_smile:

Yes I would not put a super beefy video card in my own NAS no, but lets say you install PLEX on it or you want to do some video manipulation, it becomes handy as the GPU would take over most of the load from the CPU.

You are right about those FREENAS machines they are very good. Just so very expensive

That video is priceless! LOL!

That guy has a few more on youtube… Driving over old cars… and other stunts, like a quarter mile race… :slight_smile:

OK, I admit being a nite owl (It’s 04:00 in the morning hereabouts… :slight_smile:
But I’m also a early riser…

So it’s time for an orderly “shutdown”! :slight_smile:
Back online tomorrow…

PS: How’s the corona situ over there now?
Here it’s still stay at home, more or less only food shops open…
Til at least end of April…

I use KODI (OSMC) on a Raspberry as my Media Center…

I’ll check them out :)… Well I’m a bit confused as to what I’ll do next… I mean QNAP and Synology have the best software to just handle a NAS for sure. They are made for that. The only advantage of UNRAID is you can build with a highend CPU and GPU would you need it. But perhaps, the performance can be shitty if you do put in bad hardware and I did some research just a few minutes ago and yes some people had issues.

Some recommended to use a Synology for pure storage and use the fact that some have a 10Gbe NIC and just build a separate server for PLEX and other stuff you need to do and just connect directly to the NAS to get the data. So that is a possible strategy.

FreeNAS would be another but again, unless you buy their solution, if you build with your own stuff you have to make sure you have the right hardware or you could face issues. A FreeNAS box after the shipping and taxes is almost 800$+ more than a DS1819+, but then again, I’m not sure I should put a bunch of VMs and Plex on a NAS server, perhaps it is not the best use case thinking about it.

I second that opinion…

A good swiss army knife has a usable knife. Some have a fork. Some even have a spoon.

But let’s be honest: If I invite a dame over for a classy 5 course meal, I’ll offer a real knife, a real fork and a real spoon. The specialist is ALWAYS better than the generalist.

Synology’s Play series can do 4K Transformations well - but they can’t hold their own when running VMs… Here, the Plus Series are a better money for value choice.

I’d like a FreeNAS at home, I might buy one when this lockdown’s over.
They DO cost a bit, but if you want that punch in a small, quiet, home compatible package, you don’t have that much choice…

I use Synology’s DS1819+ a lot, I have 10 running at clients (If you include the three running the older DS1817+). They are quite performant, but FreeNAS runs circles around it in I/O. More than twice as fast with identical Disks… (!) The DS1819+ Synos have a quad core Atom CPU, no comparison to a real XEON style 8-Core CPU…

12 h Stats of a DS1819 (The one with SSDs AND normal HDs…)

It is very true what you are saying. But… For a house, unless you are using it for work or something that requires the performance of FreeNAS, is it really necessary? FreeNAS is really an enterprise solution when you think about it. The guy from Level1Techs does only corporate stuff but did UNRAID to explain to people how to make them, the hardware, etc, and, he admits FreeNAS is more corporate level and very high performance. Perhaps more than most home users would need. Which makes me think, for 1500$, I could get a DS1819+ over a FreeNAS 8 bays which would cost 2300$ which does not include shipping and taxes. It is a lot of money. If I’m only going to store files in it, again, maybe best to have an external server with VMs and PLEX and other stuff consuming files on the NAS and then a DS1819+ would be more than enough. Again depends on the use case :slight_smile:

@tessierp

Good Morning!

I do have special plans for the FreeNAS - it would be my Proxmox VM Storage for a Proxmox Cluster. I need something more powerful than a DS1819+ here. The DS1819+ would become generic NAS and Backup for Proxmox.

My 2 cents
Andy

@Andy_Wismer think twice before use FreeNAS. Consider as an option unRAID.

@pike

I’ve tried both, had no problems with FreeNAS, but UNRAID was unduly SLOW…
Too slow for what I need…
Maybe has improved, but I still see quite a few issues on that online…

I have used FreeNAS for a while, and was quite satisfied…

Secondly, I don’t really trust BTRFS too much, even though I do use it in Synology…
But, on the other hand, I’ve been using Synology for 10+ years, only one Modell, the DS1815+ had issues…
The issue was a voltage regulator with thermic sensor onboard. After 1.5 - 2 years, the chip got defective and the NAS would shutdown and could not be used for more than a few minutes, after not at all!

For a simple BTRFS NAS, I’d choose RockStor, that is free and works quite ok…

I’d prefer TrueNAS hardware to FreeNAS anytime, but I would still need a EuroBillions jackpot to finance my dream setup… And they’re still only offering EuroMillions to play… :frowning:

Mind you, I’d take a EuroMillions win too, but first I’d have to play… :slight_smile:

My 2 cents
Andy

Hello Andy,

Regarding that point, why don’t you trust BTRFS? In the case BTRFS is not a good option, there is always ZFS, there is a plugin that works very well with UNRAID. If I’d use ZFS, I’d use ECC memory though, that is almost a guarantee for me. It is possible that UNRAID changed since the last time you tried it. How long has it been? It would be very interesting to get your input on this, that is if you have time to build one using their newest version :slight_smile:

I did intstall Proxmox btw, in a VM mind you to try it out. The interface is pretty clean, looks rather easy to use. I think it would make a lot of sense now to probably use it in the small pc where Nethserver is currently running. Once I have better hardware in there that is. The fact that I could make backups and restores easily would be amazing, much better than having to reinstall everything manually, running scripts to restore the configuration, etc, etc.

Also, to show you why I like UNRAID so much, here is this video. It is probably old news to you but, still I like how you can mix drives of different sizes and some of the flexibility UNRAID offers. To increase speed, you can even use a SSD or NVMe m.2, which increases performance (caching). https://youtu.be/TZSUrZQXGqM. I think the caching part is interesting as it compensates for UNRAID being slow. And you are correct this guy says UNRAID is slower than another of the other technologies you proposed. I suppose it all comes down to PROs and CONs depending on what you do. Like you said, you need to use the right tool for what you do.

But I think this post is now diverging from the original question lol.

@tessierp

BTRFS:
Well, if Red Hat, which pushed it BTRFS for so long drops it like a hot cake…
There are a lot of issues for BTRFS, if you read on the Web.
I only use BTRFS on Synology, and also only for the reason that red hat also supported it at the time I started using Synology - and the final closer: Synology has not let me down yet!

UNRAID:
I don’t like this:


and this:

and the everywhere reference to “gamers”.
Also:
I am NOT prepared to PAY for an open source OS!!!
I am prepared to financially support Open Source, but not to “buy” a OS license!

BUT: I willl do a neutral test on features / power / speed of UNRAID tonight or tomorrow…

I don’t touch Synology’s KVM virtualization solution, why should I even consider a “Nobody” solution? I’m using a licenced Proxmox solution, at the moment, in my opinion the best virtualization solution available! Why should I settle for a “lesser” solution?

:slight_smile:

Note: Caching SSDs on NAS

1.5 years ago, I had two 250 GB SSDs lying around at a client who had 2 Synology NAS.
I put in the SSDs and configured them to be a cache. I then found out, that Synology requires two SSDs for this. OK, so what i thought, i’ve got two lying around…

6 Months later, both SSDs were “burnt” thru… (Too many R/W cycles…) I found out the expensive way, that you need “professional” SSDs for cachimg, and not the consumer graded stuff!

Just so you don’t make the same, wrong assumption. :slight_smile:

Put in a new Chat / Query in the forum, and link me in
(Just add @Andy_Wismer on top of your post…)

My 2 cents
Andy

Link to the new conversation for those interested in following :

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