About Community/Project Governance

How can we move this forward? Looks like governance is not a problem here? :slight_smile:

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After reviewing the last couple of months worth of comments within this thread, I am wondering if there has been any further consensus or new ideas about the subject surrounding governance?


Wow, to all of you!

This is interesting stuff. :open_mouth:
Being a re-converted apostate myself, I take some time to think about all being said here.
Not at least because it takes a while to grasp "The tyranny of structurelessness"
Something worth discussing with my collages too!


Thanks @mark_nl for pointing to this thread again. It has been a bit quiet for a while, but I think this topic deserves some extra push and attention. Can we put it on the agenda for Fosdem to talk about?


Do you think we should try to find a room for us to meet?


It would be great to have a room for an hour or so. Maybe right after Stefano’s presentation on saturday?


Saturday would be nice. I’ll be there the whole day.

Here is how we (4p Ltd) are structured::

CEO is head. He represents company legally. Thats it NO power as of IT department.
IT Head -> governs IT dep (has ALL the power)

We are team of ::

NO devs with owner rights of repo (repo is owned by ME) and Im the only dev with push access to master
2 devs with repo write-access to their own branches
4 devs with read access to repo
All devs have write access to our bugtracker, but only I can approve bugh solutions (solution is not visible even to submitter until I approve solution),
All devs have read access to CNAME (Im the owner)

All the above minimalize the risk of abuse (like one want to take over, say, repo)
We deal with abusers instantly by throwing them out of our team with permanent ban on every piece of our infrastructure.

Thats it.


  1. If CEO wants to overpower us, we simply cut him/her off company’s money and become independent,
  2. Extremely easy decission-making => real vote (50+1 to agree)
  3. Those dickheads at company administration level (CEO && “friends”) can fuck off as we are not structured as typical company => its in fact one-person (CEO-only) company
  4. We are donators driven (fuck sponsors)

I assume this is about how your company is structured? I don’t know if I find this the healthiest way thinkable. To me it looks like a hostile place to be… :confounded: :open_mouth:

Its not hostile for normally thinking people… its hostile for asses like most of CEOs; with over-inflated egos… :slight_smile:

This is our structure and thats supposed to serve as an example of how you may structure…

Glad that that structure works for your company; however I don’t think that structure will work here and having worked in South Africa, Singapore, Indonesia, Japan and the UK - (I know 'm at risk of starting a flame-war and I don’t want to start one) I have to agree with Rob as I have yet to see that structure work and it is most definitely not how many normal people think.

I joined an IT Team of a large multinational company who subtly tried to impose that structure to the local office and I can definitely promise you that it was such a toxic environment to work in, it made Chernobyl look like a baby’s tea party.

Personally I would not support any company or organisation who setup and operated with a structure like that.


you’d be suprised how many people have supported/still support us…
People are just fed up with CEOs (and them alike) who acts like complete asses…

Hi to all,
@developer11 gives us an example how it works at their company. Thanks for that.
I think too, like @robb it isn’t the right way for us.
But I think we should not make a political discussion of that.


Agree on that @m.traeumner
Thnx @developer11 for your example.

It makes sense I must say…

If rthere is a company behind CEO, and/or CEO is asshole, than this kind of governance will (sooner rather than later) destroy every (even the biggest) project.

CEO has to be totally controlled by - best scenario - projects’ original creator (as s/he has for sure good will)

I do not think I have seen any relevant information about the role of the Nethesis CEO to b honest. I only see devs asking what the community desires, and implementing it in record speed.

I think some reading about how this project is governed is required before assuming the Nethesis CEO will torpedo the project at some point … I really think you got Nethesis and it’s intentions wrong here … they benefit from this deal much as we as far as I can tell.


I fully agree with @planet_jeroen.
@developer11 You have to know, it was the company who started to build this great community. And much people work at the company give also alot support here.
Parents loves their babies, I think nethserver and the community is the baby of the company behind it.


Ehi man a lot of people are flagging your posts asking to ban you
So far I didn’t delete any of them but I’m changing my mind :slight_smile:


We moved forward here

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