We can install both and see what happens to Nextcloud. If they’ll extend app store with for example libreoffice online or videoconferecing, it would be very interesting
I’m kinda curious about the mobile apps…
They are open too, it looks they’re already working on it https://help.nextcloud.com/t/desktop-mobile-apps/129
Interesting discussion, looks like this is going to be a real issue for me personally on my ios device.
Gawd, I wish I could find a way to quickly and easily show others particular photos on my ios device without using some else’s cloud service… pics are such a nightmare, makes me not even want to take any photos.
But I do like to.
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I have watched some interviews about the move to Nextcloud and it seems that the break ( like all others ) has the potential to be disruptive . Nextcloud should offer some enterprise features along with offering the community more requested features.
Hopefully both Owncloud and Nextcloud cloud can work together and Grow both solutions . Something like Fedora and Redhat.
I got the same vibe and I’d like to work closer with the Nextcloud team in order to integrate our products as weel as possibile.
Uhm, it doesn’t look the same relationship. Fedora is more connected to Red Hat
https://www.redhat.com/it/technologies/linux-platforms/articles/relationship-between-fedora-and-rhel
I really don’t like this fork.
In history, fork exist for technological reasons, like FreeBSD/OpenBSD or yet Debian/Devuan, to explore other fields of technology.
Fork exists for philisoficals reasons like Pfsense/OpenSense, to explore other way to do the same task.
Forks exist for financials reasons, like FreeNAS/NAS4Free, the second one come on because it was not possible to continue to use the FreeNAS name, bought by IXSystems.
Others forks combine these reasons like OpenOffice/LibreOffice
What is the reason for this fork?.. It’s financials reasons. Because the Owncloud Company goes in the wrong direction.
But further this reasons, I don’t understant why not to simply go with the Owncloud Fondation, Why the initials project fathers gone away? Why try rebranding the same project ( Owncloud 8/ NextCloud 9 ).
Are the project fathers only mercenaries?
In respect of the community, for eticals reasons, I think the Owncloud Fondation is right, and I don’t like the NextCloud project that actualy seem a rebranding, no more.
Well the way I read it was that the founding fathers (as you put it) did not agree with the direction the project was going as a whole. They felt that feature development was being stifled. They were no longer able to work on what they were passionate about. I feel that these are legitimate reasons to break away. The end result is that this my be a rebranding you really are still getting Owncloud even if it is under a different name. To me Owncloud appears to be dead, and the root cause is poor Human Resource management. Upper management cast a blind eye to employee morale and that came back to bite them.
In open source your developers are key. Since you can’t hold proprietary code and copy-right if you lose the developers you lose the support as well as your business edge. In this way, those who fund these projects need to realize that their developers need to have more say in these projects or they risk this kind of thing happening.
The large scale of the departure from OwnCloud indicates to me the validity of the reasons for this fork. It wouldn’t seem natural for that much of the core team leaving if there wasn’t major issues involved.
I assume the OwnCloud foundation has rights to the name, which means they would have to rebrand to continue working. As for mercenaries, that implies that the core team left because they could make more money developing as Nextcloud. Those aren’t the reasons they gave for leaving, and though they could be liars it doesn’t seem to me that doing another start up is a sure-fire way of getting a pay raise.
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My understanding is that it was for technological, philosophical and financial reasons:
- to get technological decision making less dependent on solely financial reasons.
a lot of ownCloud features were held back because developers had to convince investors in 30 seconds.
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often, with venture capital you have to limit yourself to doing things investors can understand rather than what users and customers ask or what could make money. This doesn’t always have to be an issue but it can be crippling. And it’s frustrating because management ends up forced to make short term decisions they know are bad.
- strong believe in open source, community decisions and transparency, which does not need to clash with building a sustainable and profitable business around it.
Nextcloud will be reporting security issues upstream, and being open source both could end up retro-feeding each other in the long term …when things calm down.
There may be other personal reasons and some uncomfortability grown over time (the last owncloud foundation movements might have come a bit late), as these decisions are usually not taken from day to night. But often the true lays in the middle of what both sides say.
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That’s very interesting and easy to read:
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- httpoxy vulnerability: Nextcloud Security Update
- Nextcloud and Collabora Bring Online Office To Everybody
from now on, Nextcloud users have access to a free, easy to use and regularly updated LibreOffice Online docker image.
At the same time, enterprise customers can now purchase support contracts for a scalable and more secure solution from Collabora and Nextcloud.
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Nice move by NextCloud guys 
Yeah, we are happy we could get the iOS app open sourced - and fully open, compatible with the app store without limit. Not all partners can immediately open source whatever they do but it is certainly our goal!
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Hi all,
I thought I should update you on our upcoming Nextcloud 12 release. We published our beta today with a huge load of improvements focused around more collaboration and communication integration. Stuff like:
- Spreed audio/video chat has matured a lot and features screen sharing apps for Chrome and Firefox.
- We introduced push notifications (!) so you get notified instantly of calls, comments, shares and so on. Client support coming around 12 release or a bit later.
- We introduced a menu so you can click an user avatar and (video) call, chat or mail them. Next to your avatar top-right is also a contacts menu with all your contacts and these actions.
- You can share files or folder via email to multiple users, and set permissions individually. A video of this in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhFnbB-a7ik
- The Circles app allows users to create and manage groups and share with them. There’s also a guest account app and the ability for admins to impersonate users.
- downloadActivty lets users track when files are downloaded from a public share and internal shares can have an expiration date
- Public links to files can be made writable, which means you can have a collaborative Collabora Online document editing session with people who have no account on your server.
Besides these features, we of course worked further on hardening Nextcloud against break in, adding rate limiting, new authentication mechanisms for clients and server (this way clients will support OAuth, 2FA, SAML etcetera), signed upgrades and more. We also fixed a massive amount of bugs, improved performance and developed a range of improvements for system administrators to improve integration in enterprise infrastructure.
You can find no less than 10 videos showing Nextcloud 12 features in this playlist on YouTube and of course - learn more in the announcement!
Go grab the beta and let us know what you think on our forums 
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Such a great new release Jos, thanks for updating us.
Guys, help NextCloud to test their product so the NethServer project can benefit as well
I can’t wait to see this new version on NethServer @alep