I have been reading on the citadel website a while and it turns out to be one of the oldest groupware solutions around. And looking at the features and services: looks superb!
Now the interface itself: You can see it is deveoped LONG LONG time ago. The interface is very complete and even intuitive, but the looks… well have a look yourself:
The featurelist is wow…everything I would need.
The look imo is not oldfashioned. It is not that win10style everybody thinks have to follow. Not really modern, but it is clear and complete.
I’ll try to install next week on a vm on ns7.
Do you still want me to compare? or are you already converted ?
I do not have a comparison for the products but I looked at both and immediately got attracted to the features of Citadel.
Let us forget about webtop is dates to 2011 and no more devs on it. I was surprised to see it listed on Nethserver.
I would agree with you on the look and the presentation of Citadel, yes it is not up to the Italian high style and design.
On the other hand I do not consider it ugly, better look would make you feel better but I would love to see it in action for its features and functionality the way it is.
Frankly I tried to install it on Nethserver and I failed, so I installed it as standalone on an Ubuntu machine to try . It is very good and I vote for it to be integrated into Nethserver.
Please do compare! And if citadel will not make it to the standard feature repository, it always can get a place in NethForge repository. Then anyone can choose what groupware to install.
Lets keep the discussion about citadel in this topic. If you think you need to comment on or pose your concern about webtop, do so in the split-off topic Concerns about webtop
Please ignore my earlier post, the problem was due to the fact that I was running Spreed webrtc on the same tomcat port 8080… my apologies for the false alert.
I was working on a comparison list however realized that we cannot compare the 2 products.
The Webtop4 is mainly an email server with extra features that comes along such as calendar sharing, public folders sharing and enterprise document access (this feature in specific is best handled with the Nextcloud)
As for the Citadel , similar to Webtop in addition to Notes, wiki and blog, stronger Group calendaring and scheduling (WebDAV, GroupDAV, and Kolab-1 compatible) , Built-in RSS Feed Aggregation, Support for push e-mail and mobile devices, Built-in full text index for fast searching , Multiple domain support (does not exist in Webtop), built-in integration with perimiter email filtering technologies such as Realtime Blackhole Lists (RBL’s), SpamAssassin, and ClamAV antivirus,
Important feature in Citadel : Server-to-server replication. Users in any number of domains can be spread out across any number of Citadel servers, allowing you to put data where you need it, and enabling infinite horizontal scalability.
Built-in instant messenger service I wouldn’t rate that high but still a nice feature
It provides its own implementations of these server protocols: IMAP, POP3, SMTP, ManageSieve, XMPP, Citadel.
It is 100% free open source GPL3, its codebase is written mostly in C. Where the Webtop is JAVA
With no offense to anyone I do not see Webtop as a competitor to Citadel. I would say that some people have the choice to make them work together with Citadel as the front end.
Thanks for your plee for citadel. I do think citadel has some powerful features.
We could take a next step and installing Citadel on a NethServer (7).
It would be awesome if you would try this and make an install howto.
The step after that would be creating a NethServer module for Citadel.
I am looking forward to your findings installing Citadel on a NethServer.
Thank you Rob,
I was experimenting the Spreed.me feature under Nextcloud. It works very well however Nethserver needs to do some preconfiguration to the Tomcat server port 8080 is conflicting with many services.
I guess the same problem I faced with Spreed.me would be faced with Citadel.
Since my Tomcat is disabled now, I will try to install citadel and see if it works then write a how to if I was successful.
I have tried Citadel before. When I say before, its like 2008-2009. Its a good email server, it was based off BSD but can be installed in Ubuntu when I tried it. I has an easy installation script and. It was then boasted to have a set and forget and was said to scale. However, the GUI is a lot to be desired, its pretty basic and the groups or meeting was called rooms.
If we are to consider, may I also request Zimbra (this has been requested before but I think due to how accounts are handled, it was not possible) in the comparison chart.
SSH to the server and execute the following:
netstat -nlp
There should be no services running on the following ports:
SMTP, Secure SMTP, POP secure POP , port 2000, port 5280 , 443
should there be then check the PID number of that service and kill it
kill pidnumber
The best way to install Citadel is by executing the easyinstall.
Accept all default parameters (define admin as user name and give it a password)
When asked under which username to run Citadel, keep the user root
Leave the remaining as default, please do not change the default port 2000 and 443 under which Citadel wishes to run else you will never be able to access it.
Problems and issues:
Was not able to configure it as LDAP (did not put much efforts anyway)
Cannot change default ports although the WEBCIT config file is located under /etc/rc.d/init.d
no matter what ports we define the webcit will refuse to honor connections until defaults are put back
ports 2000 and 443 . Also it will only accept connections to the secure 443 port.
By keeping the port 443 for citadel, we deprive nextcloud from being accessed and that is a major drawback